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If you had to choose between either Agilent Genesis or AWR Microwave Office, which would it be. Ease of use, correlation between simulations and real test data, and suite cost are my biggest issues.

Need a linear and nonlinear simulator, Emag simulator, and layout package.

Both packages has it's strenghts and weakness... you have to make priorities and then look at what cost.

I suggest you do apply for a free trial and try them out for your selfe!

Having said that, my gut feeling is that MWO is really more into RFIC design and Genesys is more for discrete components.

I find Genesys 2008.1 a pleasure to use, but I mainy use it for linear simulations. Using Genesys for the past 15 years I never felt I had to switch :)

/WD

You'll probably get many answers but I prefer MWO. Over the past 15 years I have used Genesis (Eagleware), ADS, Ansoft Designer, and MWO.

I use MWO (actually Analog Office and VSS) at work and also traded in my personal license of Genesys for MWO. Both will give you good results if you give it good input, but the layout in MWO is hands down better since it can handle PCB up to RFICs.

The nice thing is that you can get the base model for linear and layout. Then tack on HB, 2.5D EM (closed and soon open boundry), MMIC PDKs, iNets, HSPICE, and Si RFIC extraction and PDKs.

With Genesys you will stop at MMICs and then have to use ADS.

Of course the VSS system simulator is nice too.

You can download an eval copy of MWO and put it through it's paces.

Sounds like you want the MWO-225 package which does what you request.

Nope, it handles boards and discretes just fine, and it's not over-kill for such. That's what it did initially, and they have expanded over the years. I do mostly PCB level with it but am translating a fully integrated Frac-N synthesizer (Peregrine SOI) into it so we can prove it out and ditch Cadence.

I was a big fan of Genesys but unfortunately now MWO surpass it.
At the moment the only part of Genesys that I am using is the Filter design and analysis, which still is strong, user friendly and using a smart optimization.
Beware that for the options that you are looking for, MWO could cost you approximately 80.000 bucks plus taxes, when Genesys is cheaper.

Have you tried the NuHertz for MWO? It works pretty well. I have not used it for any distributed filters yet, but have done some diplexers and anti-aliasing filters with it.

http://www.nuhertz.com/

I have also found Testwave to be invaluable for documentation.

http://web.awrcorp.com/content/Downl...-Datasheet.pdf

hi vfone
you told that youare a big fan of genesis, hope i can clear my doubt with you.
i used genesis for my filter design but when i try the same layout in ads it is not giving theresult as a filter at all i sthere any problem in this ?

thank you

I thought MWO was only around S25K. I have asked for a download of MWO. I attended a 1 day seminar on genesis recently, and about all I can say is that is has gotten significantly more complicated over the years! It will probably come down to which package I can buy more cheaply!

I use Genesys pretty much exclusively for linear, planar EM (momentum) and nonlinear analysis... and the other things it can do.

I have no real complaints -- I agree, it is not the suite that is most suited for RFIC design, but it serves my needs well.

Adding momentum really gave it a kick which I'm using a lot these days.

Try them both and see what you think works best for you.

Lance

Hi,

In what freq do u work
Genesys is easy and correct no more than a few GHz after that......... bad!

AWR no bad performance, but comparison's vs Genesys much hard interface!

David

David,

Please be specific about your accuracy claims.

I've used genesys for design and analysis of many things at X-band and above -- mixers, amplifiers, antennas. Specifically I've analyzed some filters up to 35 GHz and seen good agreement with other tools such as HFSS.

I've heard this sort of negativity before but I've failed to see any meat behind it. So what specific problems did you have?

Honestly, I think most circuit/board level simulators at the core are quite capable; the differentiators are the user interfaces, scripting, ease-of-use, interfacing with other tools, and things of that nature. Here it comes down to preferences. Other differentiators are the HB and EM portions of the tool of course.

Thanks,

Lance

Hi,

First of all I start with Genesys ones of the advantages of this simulator that it's have very simple interface!
I am will give a few examples why not using Genesys (of course only if u have other option):
1) in currently job i work in Xband (up to 6GHz) my friend make simulation (linear and EM) for small signal the results are very close, but when i simulated the same schematic vs ADS only schematic simulation I got exactly results like we produce the board!

2) I am prefer ADS because in Genesys I am hate to deal vs port/grids problems during EM simulation.

3) Mixer (from system lib) can't work properly with HB analysis.
this is just a few problems... I work vs Genesys a few years and yes I believe his is nice, but not more!

In other hand again Genesys have nice Sysntesis to start with! Some times help to save time!

About AWR last time I work vs this simulation was during my study, truly I don't remember much, but from my friends i know that they are simulated vs AWR with very high freq.

All this only me opinion and maybe I am wrong, who nows?
Regards,
David
:D

David,

A few comments below.

Who cares about ADS performances when the original post was about Genesys and MWO?

For the options that you specified, MWO price is in the range that I?ve mentioned above.
That is the total price including all the maintenance or other fees that AWR charge you per year.

Hi,

Biff if u intend to use under 6GHz my advice take Genesys: because it much more chipper (I know that u can buy all the package in Genesys in about 25kS), and easy to use.

Good luck,
David

Hello Biff,

These all are my personal comments...
AWR Microwave Office has Circuit Annotations & 3D layout view of 2D drawingswhich helps in trouble shooting multilayer boards...
Apart from that it has good Transmissionline models & third party EM solvers such as CST MWS integration which are not available in Genesys...

I have attached a nice Benchmark doc ument which available on intyernet & also it is very old one...The latest AWR Microwave Office has very
nique features for Hybrid/PCB & MIC designers such as INets (Intelligent nets) & Automatic Circuit Extraction (ACE) which you may not find in even Agilent ADS...

Also as madengr said their is no RFIC/MMIC foundry PDK support for Genesys...
That shows some accuracy issues for high frequency circuit analysis...

Well, I have a 30 day eval copy of MWO running. Anyone have a good file they could download for me to try simulating?

https://www.edaboard.com/ftopic240777.html

When you consider a full Genesys for S25k with all synthesis, EM and its nice spectrasys and whatIF system design tool, it sure beats paying S80k for MWO. If you are not doing IC, go for Genesys anytime. You are saving > S50k , enough to buy 2 more copies>:idea:[/tex]

Is it true? The price of MWO is 3 times than genesys!

Yes, it is true. Genesis is the way to go if money is a concern. I've used and loved MWO in the past, but now I'm forced to use Genesys. Most of my applications are below 1GHz so I rarely need to simulate transmission lines since they have much less effect on my performance so I cannot compare performance since my MWO usage was in the 800MHz to 2.5GHz range.
Agilent has been doing some interesting things with the Genesis package. After a rough start in 2005, their latest version is very nice.